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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:52 am 
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After a bit of research, it seems that it's possible to get a level 9 Salamence.

A Salamence.

At level 9.

Suck it, Lance and Ghetsis.

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So when are we gonna trade. I also need to know if we're going to be using MSN, Skype, or whatever.

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Image So I got to the end credits of Sun and Moon, so now I feel I can give my thoughts over the whole thing.

Firstly, here's the team I had by the end:

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I felt it worked out pretty well for the most part, though Kommo-O appearing so late in the game made that one not get enough time to shine...

Anyway, I'll just put this out front: This really felt like one of the better Pokémon games out there and, so far, a real step up from X & Y. And I think the key reason behind that was it taking some chances with the established formula. Having this Island Challenge instead of a traditional Pokémon League really freshened things up, and if I do say so myself, I think I do prefer Trials over Gyms, though that might just be me getting awfully tired of those. Each one felt pretty unique in how they are played out, though all did involve a couple of single Pokémon fights. I think what helped was how integral to the overall feeling of the region these Trials were. When you enter a Gym, it's something that was manufactured around the Leader's own personality, but with the Trials, they felt like they were a part of the world naturally, which I think was the point of the Alola Region. It's supposed to be a region about people and Pokémon living together in harmony with one another. Funny enough, I think the best example of this is the second Trial of Ula'Ula Island which takes place in a haunted shopping mall that was built on sacred grounds, angering the Tapu of that island, hence why it got pretty much destroyed. It was a great example of what happens when you betray that sense of harmony for selfish ends.

The region itself is very pretty, if a bit samey. I mean, it's what you'd expect from a location based on islands. They're, well, islands without too much variety in locations. They try, and there are some lovely set pieces to be sure, such as Brooklet Hill and much of Poni Island, but in the end, you got grass and palm trees almost everywhere. It probably made this one of the least interesting regions to explore in terms of scenery, I suppose.g

The story and characters, however, is where it really became memorable for me, however, rivaling even that of Black/White. Almost every character that plays a major role gets some actual development and arcs. The large number of friends you got in X & Y seemed like a good idea, but that might have been a case of "too many cooks" there when you had a couple of them get no character whatsoever outside of one-note. There are more layers to people like Hau, Lillie, Gladion, and others. Even the minor characters felt more memorable to me. I can barely remember any of the Gym Leaders from Kalos or its Elite Four, but I feel confident that most of the Trial Captains and Kahunas were be in my mind by the time the next generation starts. Going back to Black/White, I think it's because these characters are involved and have some side story, no matter how small, of their own. The Gym Leaders of Unova actually got involved outside of Gyms, which is why I liked that generation so much, and the same things were seen here in Sun & Moon. Of special note was Kiawe who actually has a part time job in order to pay for his dream job of being a fire dancer, but you actually see him getting laid off with him feeling really crushed about it, only perking up a bit after a battle with you. They felt more human than before.

And Team Skull, they're probably my favourite villain team in the franchise now. They are just the dumbest, goofiest group and the game knows this. I think the localization team had a really fun time writing the dialogue for them. It's so incredibly stupid, I couldn't help but love it every time they showed up. I especially took great pleasure any and every chance I was allowed to snark at them for being so non-threatening. Even when things got dark once entering Po Town, which had been taken over completely by Team Skull, complete with rundown houses and graffiti, and probably the only Pokémon Center in the franchise not run by a Nurse Joy, they still felt really silly. I couldn't help but grin every time I saw them.

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And of course, there's the actual villains, the Aether Foundation, which I totally saw coming. As a whole, I felt this was a missed opportunity to make a more Cipher-esque kind of villain, but at least there's Lusamine, who's as crazy as they come. Seriously, first Ghetsis, now Lusamine... Did someone at Game Freak have a bad relationship with their parents? Even though it ultimately was more or less some form of mind control that the Ultra Beasts had over her and the Aether Foundation, it made for a much creepier arc than before. I'll never forget entering Lusamine's room and seeing those cryogenically frozen Pokémon for her little collection. And boy, is that final battle against her something else when they go all Final Fantasy on you. That was stuff usually reserved for the spin-off games like Mystery Dungeon...and I quite liked seeing it here.


A few other minor things I'd like to bring attention to:

-Thank Arceus HMs are finally GONE! And I hope they never come back, not even in remakes! I never want to sacrifice a member of my party just for a tool.
-The S.O.S. system for wild Pokémon is something I am not sure how to feel about yet. I'll need to look deeper into the mechanics, but it feels more annoying to me than anything since our protagonist still doesn't know how to throw a Poké Ball at one Pokémon, even though the GCN games totally let you do that.
-I'm going to really miss Horde Battles. They were really nice for EV Training.
-The base Speed of just about everything here seems lower than normal. Is this some forced balancing Game Freak is trying to push on us?
-Z-Moves are kind of cool. I wonder how they'll be used competitively since you are gonna have to choose between a Z-Crystal or a hold item like Life Orb or one of the Choice stuff.
-The AI in the story is much smarter. They will switch out much more often, sometimes to one they know my attacks will have no effect on. Even the Totem Pokémon can have some next level strats. Lurantis, in particular, is holding a Power Herb, letting it use its ultimate attack, Solar Blade, in one turn.
-I'm just about to begin the Post Game and I am optimistic it will be better than last gen's. Though I am doubtful it will be as good as B2/W2's or Platinum's.
-Charjabug's cry is Kricketune-tier. Fact.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 1:51 pm 
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Amen on the smarter AI. There were quite a lot of tough fights in the game. Ace Trainers in particular live up to their name and use strats that are used in competitive play, such as setting up Stealth Rock, and using held items to force switch outs.

The final boss is easily the hardest fight I've had in the game, and one of the hardest in the series. I thought nobody could rival Cynthia, but Professor Kukui and his Primarina proved me wrong.

Now I'm playing through it again, this time with Exp. Share turned off and the battle mode on set. Arceus only knows how hard that'll be.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:45 am 
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Image So, each generation, there seems to be some way to get those IVs and HAs through some method. Well, here is where Sun/Moon does it: S.O.S. System.

Y'know, when a Pokémon calls for help? The helper progressively gets stronger and stronger as you faint more of them, and also increases the odds of HAs and Shinies. But the most important part, the IVs, is this: After the 40th help shows up, every one that shows up afterwards will always have 4 perfect IVs! Now, that is a big number, but help showing up can happen more often with low health (get your False Swipe on) and using Adrenaline Orbs.

Already saw a good method to chain for 4 IVs Ditto using a Munchlax with Recycle and Leppa Berries. Should be good fun!

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:06 pm 
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Between this and Hyper Training, perhaps now's the time to get into competitive battling.

Just gotta think of a good team first.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 1:37 pm 
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So I have my own 3DS now. Anyone wanna help me evolve my Machoke and Haunter? My 3DS friend code is 4614 1392 9934.

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Shredderman8160 wrote:
So I have my own 3DS now. Anyone wanna help me evolve my Machoke and Haunter? My 3DS friend code is 4614 1392 9934.

I'd be happy to. You can find my 3DS Friend Code in the Codes and Tags thread.

Pokémon Sun and Moon can trade with X, Y, Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, right?


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 11:04 pm 
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Pikmanipulator wrote:
Shredderman8160 wrote:
So I have my own 3DS now. Anyone wanna help me evolve my Machoke and Haunter? My 3DS friend code is 4614 1392 9934.

I'd be happy to. You can find my 3DS Friend Code in the Codes and Tags thread.

Pokémon Sun and Moon can trade with X, Y, Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, right?

Nope, they can't.

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Shredderman8160 wrote:
Pikmanipulator wrote:
I'd be happy to. You can find my 3DS Friend Code in the Codes and Tags thread.

Pokémon Sun and Moon can trade with X, Y, Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, right?

Nope, they can't.

Ah. Well. That's a shame.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 4:31 am 
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Image New Gen means no backwards trading. Only Gen II ever did that, and it doesn't seem like it'll be coming back anytime soon.

Though speaking of old Gens, Meloetta is now available for download via Mystery Gift in X/Y/OR/AS, and so is the second chance Arceus. North American code is ARCEUS20.

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Image Here we are! Our first Mythical of a new Generation!

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Just scan that QR Code using the QR Scanner and then head to Hau'oli City Mall's antique shop where a man will be standing in front of the NPCs. Talk to him to get your Magearna!

This makes Pokémon #301 for me in Alola (yes indeed, I finished my Dex, a feat I have not done since Gen II).

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Speaking of QR Codes, here's a funny tidbit: If you get a blue screen on Windows 10, a QR Code appears. This code actually works for Sun and Moon and guess what shows up!

A Mareep!

I guess androids DO dream of electric sheep!

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Image Ah, there's Empoleon, our final Pokkén Character if the CSS is to be believed (there's no room left). Based on the trailer, it looks to have quite the gimmick involving creating ice on the ground to increase its speed and create new combos. Otherwise, it seems to be a heavy-hitting Power character, though the trailer didn't clarify. The Burst Attack amused me a little since it reminded me a lot of Hydro Vortex from Sun/Moon.

So, the final count:

Gen I: Charizard, Pikachu, Pikachu Libre, Machamp, Gengar, Mewtwo, Shadow Mewtwo
Gen II: Scizor, Suicune
Gen III: Sceptile, Blaziken, Gardevoir
Gen IV: Empoleon, Garchomp, Lucario, Croagunk, Weavile, Darkrai
Gen V: Chandelure
Gen VI: Braixen

This means that if we were to exclude duplicate Pokémon, Gen IV actually got the biggest representation. Interesting.

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And for Sun/Moon players, the first Battle Competition is now available for registration. It is known as the Battle of Alola and you have until the 15th to register, with the actual battles happening from the 16th to the 18th. You may battle up to 15 times per day and you get 50 BP just for participating! Might as well try if you're having difficulty getting the Destiny Knot (it's available only as a Pickup or for 48 BP at the Battle Royal).

The 301 Pokémon available in the Alola Dex are fully eligible, including so-called "special Pokémon" and even Ash-Greninja is eligible. However, you can only have 1 Special Pokémon in your party. I'm not sure what constitutes Special Pokémon, but here are the ones I know for a fact count as special:

Solgaleo
Lunala
Necrozma
Magearna
Ash-Greninja

Everything else seems fair game, so go nuts. It uses Single Battle format.

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Decided to start getting into competitive breeding. Heard that a Destiny Knot was necessary, so I formed a team of Pokémon with Pickup, and did some farming.

2 days later, after 8 hours of gameplay, I got a bunch of big nuggets, pearl strings, currently have 8 rare candies.....but no Destiny Knot.

!#%$.

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Shredderman8160 wrote:
Decided to start getting into competitive breeding. Heard that a Destiny Knot was necessary, so I formed a team of Pokémon with Pickup, and did some farming.

2 days later, after 8 hours of gameplay, I got a bunch of big nuggets, pearl strings, currently have 8 rare candies.....but no Destiny Knot.

!#%$.

Image Easily one of the worst things this Gen, but hang in there. I did eventually get mine after a lot of searching.

Alternatively, you could sign up for this weekend's Battle of Alola, even without something competitive. All participants get 50 BP, which is enough to purchase the Destiny Knot from the Royal Avenue.

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And speaking of Kiyoshi...I literally found him in the post game!

Some spoilers here, of course.

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I'm talking about Ryuki, one of the challengers that you defend your Champion title from, and the only one who isn't a character we've met previously. He's a Dragon-Type User, all of his Pokémon being at 61. Leads with a Garchomp, but also comes out with a Drampa, a Turtonator, a Dragonite, and a Kommo-O. Explains the name a bit (ryū is dragon in Japanese, as we've come to know) but the full name, spelled ryūki, can also mean "black nightshade" in Japanese. How metal!

He's got a hairdo not unlike what one of Kiyoshi's avatars looked like (I'm thinking specifically the Pokémon RP), and a red metal outfit that's covered in spikes. But above all else, the man plays a mean axe according to his backstory, with "rocking" being the thing he does right down to his bones. His concept art even has him carrying a guitar case covered in spikes. He claims that while critics love his music, his music didn't sell for quite a long while. But he never stopped being himself and eventually he became a star, since music is what he loves most of all and has come to Alola to make a bigger name of himself by challenging the Champion (that's you). Upon defeat, he advises you to always be yourself, as he has.

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As an extra aside, there is a Type Specialist for EVERY Type in Alola except for Ice. They are as follows:

Normal - Ilima
Fire - Kiawe
Water - Lana
Electric - Sophocles
Grass - Mallow
Ice - _____
Fighting - Hala
Poison - Plumeria
Ground - Hapu
Flying - Kahili
Psychic - Faba
Bug - Guzma
Rock - Olivia
Ghost - Acerola
Dragon - Ryuki
Dark - Nanu
Steel - Molayne
Fairy - Mina


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And just for fun, I decided to look at all the potential Pokémon the different Battle Tree Trainers from past games could use and decided to see if they match up with what were used in previous appearances. More spoilers, but I thought it'd be fun all the same:

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Anabel can use Alakazam, Snorlax, Raikou, Entei, Latios, and Lucario. Aside from Lucario, all of the Pokémon were used in her Frontier Brain battles in Emerald, with Snorlax being in both Silver and Gold.

Blue can use Pidgeot, Arcanine, Alakazam, Machamp, Exeggutor, Gyarados, Aerodactyl, Tyranitar, and Rhyperior. Pidegot, Arcanine, Alakazam, Exeggutor, and Gyarados were all part of his final team in Red/Blue and FireRed/LeafGreen as well as used for his Gym Battle in Gold/Silver/Crystal with Rhydon being the one missing. Tyranitar was added in for his rematches in FireRed/LeafGreen and HeartGold/SoulSilver. Machamp replaced Alakazam in his Gym Battle in HeartGold/SoulSilver. Aerodactyl's only appearance previously was as one of his Pokémon in the PWT in Black 2/White 2. Likewise, Rhyperior's only appearance was in his rematch in HeartGold/SoulSilver.

Colress can use Alolan Muk, Electrode, Porygon2, Metagross, Magnezone, Porygon-Z, and Klinklang. While Metagross, Magnezone, and Klinklang all appeared on his team in the post game of Black 2/White 2, the rest is all brand new.

Cynthia can use Milotic, Spiritomb, Garchomp, Lucario, and Togekiss. This set is the same makeup as her Champion battle in Platinum (minus Roserade). In Diamond/Pearl, she used a Gastrodon in place of Togekiss. Much of the same team would appear in Black/White and Black 2/White 2 as well, with varying differences (the only ones that remained with her in every single appearance were Spiritomb, Garchomp, and Lucario).

Dexio can use Alolan Ninetales, Slowbro, Espeon, Whimsicott, Braviary, Passimian, and Turtonator. He was never battled in X/Y, but it is worth noting that the majority of his team is Sun exclusive.

Grimsley can use Houndoom, Tyranitar, Sharpedo, Absol, Honchkrow, Drapion, Liepard, Scrafty, and Bisharp. Every single one of these Pokémon was one Grimsley could have used in any of the Gen 5 games. Scrafty and Bisharp made an appearance all the time. Liepard appeared all the time except for Challenge Mode Rematch in Black 2/White 2. Drapion and Sharpedo only appeared in Black/White on his rematch. Absol only appeared in his first match in on Challenge Mode in Black 2/White 2. Houndoom and Honchkrow appeared in his rematch in all modes in Black 2/White 2. Tyranitar appeared in his rematch only on Challenge Mode in Black 2/White 2. He didn't seem to bring his Krookodile with him, though.

Guzma can use Pinsir, Honchkrow, Toxicroak, Liepard, Bisharp, Toxapex, and Golisopod. Looks like he is no longer Bug-exclusive, though he still has his boy Golisopod with him, and the Dark and Poison show some of his old Team Skull roots.

Kiawe can use Arcanine, Alolan Marowak, Kangaskhan, Talonflame, and Salazzle. The majority of his team is obviously Fire-Type, his specialty, but as an added bonus, the majority of his Pokémon can also be found in their base stage at Wela Volcano Park, the sight of his Trial.

Mallow can use Sceptile, Talonflame, Trevenant, Toucannon, Lurantis, Tsareena, and Comfey. Unlike Kiawe, while most of her team is Grass, they don't make up as vast a number. And while a good chunk can be found in the Lush Jungle, the location of her Trial, the team is a bit more spread out in terms of habitat. However, most do share something in common: They can be found on the Akala Pokédex. The one exception is Sceptile, who really sticks out.

Plumeria can use Gengar, Crobat, Toxapex, Lurantis, and Salazzle. Not only is most of the team keeping with her Poison theme, this is almost the same Pokémon she can use to challenge you for the title of Champion. The one exception is Lurantis, which replaced her Muk.

Red can use Venusaur, Charizard, Blastoise, Lapras, and Snorlax. Minus Pikachu, this is the same team he used in HeartGold/SoulSilver as well as Black 2/White 2. For the record, in Gold/Silver/Crystal, he had an Espeon in place of Lapras. For extra fun, you can also see this team as major Pokémon you would find on your own journey in Kanto (Venusaur, Charizard, and Blastoise are all the final evolutions of the starters, Lapras is gifted at Silph Co. during Team Rocket's takeover, and two Snorlax can be found blocking the road that you need to wake using the Poké Flute after rescuing Mr. Fuji).

Sina can use Alolan Sandslash, Abomasnow, Glaceon, Lilligant, Mandibuzz, Oranguru, and Drampa. She was never battled in X/Y, but it is worth noting that the majority of her team is Moon exclusive.

Wally can use Altaria, Garchomp, Magnezone, and Gallade. Naturally, Altaria is the only one that was used not only during Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald, but also OmegaRuby/AlphaSapphire, though it gets dropped in his fourth-onward matches. Garchomp replaces Altaria in that sense. Magnezone and Gallade are his star Pokémon after defeating the Elite Four in OmegaRuby/AlphaSapphire, even to the point that they are the two he will use in Multi-Battle at the Battle Maison if you decide to bring him along.

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Image Easily one of the worst things this Gen, but hang in there. I did eventually get mine after a lot of searching.

Alternatively, you could sign up for this weekend's Battle of Alola, even without something competitive. All participants get 50 BP, which is enough to purchase the Destiny Knot from the Royal Avenue.

I've already signed up for it. I was hoping I could find the Destiny Knot and use the 50 BP for Power items instead, but clearly that's not going to happen. Guess I'll just SOS chain for the Pokémon that I want instead.

On the plus side, from all that farming I did, my Garchomp caught Pokérus and spread it to my Pickup team. Yay!

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Yeah, Ryuki definitely reminded me a lot of Kiyoshi. From being a guitarist, to the crazy hairdo, and even having a Japanese name. You don't think Gamefreak lurks this forum, do you?

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Shredderman8160 wrote:
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Image Easily one of the worst things this Gen, but hang in there. I did eventually get mine after a lot of searching.

Alternatively, you could sign up for this weekend's Battle of Alola, even without something competitive. All participants get 50 BP, which is enough to purchase the Destiny Knot from the Royal Avenue.

I've already signed up for it. I was hoping I could find the Destiny Knot and use the 50 BP for Power items instead, but clearly that's not going to happen. Guess I'll just SOS chain for the Pokémon that I want instead.

On the plus side, from all that farming I did, my Garchomp caught Pokérus and spread it to my Pickup team. Yay!

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Yeah, Ryuki definitely reminded me a lot of Kiyoshi. From being a guitarist, to the crazy hairdo, and even having a Japanese name. You don't think Gamefreak lurks this forum, do you?
I don't get why they keep changing up breeding and other stuff, it's weird when I think Gen 6 sort of had it the best. That said I do have to start bringing over the rest of my Pokemon...something I never finished up with Gen 6. Or even Gen 5, which is basically bringing all of my stuff from Gen 4 into those games. Hopefully I can do it over winter break. Hope we can transfer items too...

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They (and Nintendo too) lurk Smogon, and other big names like that...you never know! I think Ruki and I are the only ones from here that were ever on smogon, so that's the only real way they could have found this place but I doubt it. Maybe they saw something. If Ryuki had a Salamence and some of Kiyoshi's other Pokemon...

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I GOT IT!

AFTER 30 IN-GAME HOURS I FINALLY PICKED UP A DESTINY KNOT!

5IV METAGROSS HERE I COME!

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